Ruth and Beth are back from their holidays to catch up on the big political stories. This time, they're joined by the former Labour MP and ex-shadow culture secretary, Thangam Debbonaire.
They talk about the riots across England in the last couple of weeks with Thangam, and question whether Sir Keir Starmer should have labelled them "racist" earlier.
And Ruth explains why she's chosen to back James Cleverly in the race to become the next Tory leader.
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